Theo Fox: Maybe Later Thoughts on the results of the 2022 NHL draft lottery and where the Blackhawks could go from here to possibly recoup a 1st round pick.

I think Toews trade value is very low right now. Make Kubalik one year qualifying offer. Play him, Toews, T. Johnson on 2nd line and 2nd PP unit. Keep them together good or bad. If good it maybe raises there trade value before the TDL (if Toews agrees to waive his NMC.) Trade all 3 of them. If bad it helps increase the Hawks lottery chances.

Of course you would have to retain salary on any or all of the 3 to get anything good back. Johnson may be tradable next February because there would only be one more year left on his contract and you are retaining salary for that year. At $2.5 mil for one year T. Johnson could be a very good veteran 3rd line player on a contender. He could play wing or center and play up and down the lineup in a pinch.

Theo, thanks for the new content and for keeping the discussion flowing.

I guess the draft result last night marks the end of the Bowman era. Davidson now knows what the future holds in terms of next year's draft and can go from here.

KD stated what I was thinking. He now knows where he stands regarding the draft.

He did pretty OK at the TDL so let's see what he has in store for the Hawks this summer.

Theo, thanks for the new content and for keeping the discussion flowing.

I guess the draft result last night marks the end of the Bowman era. Davidson now knows what the future holds in terms of next year's draft and can go from here.
- boilermaker100

Everything that goes wrong with the Hawks for the next ten years will be Bowman's fault on the Board of Doom.

Everything that goes wrong with the Hawks for the next ten years will be Bowman's fault on the Board of Doom.
- mohel

Makes sense after all all the successes of the last 12 years are attributed to Uncle Dale.

Would it really be beneficial for the team to trade 2023 1st round picks for picks this year? My thinking is try to keep as many next draft, and if the lottery balls do not fall in place for #1 in 2023, you can have picks to package to try to get Fantilli. But maybe that is why I am not a G.M.

Everything that goes wrong with the Hawks for the next ten years will be Bowman's fault on the Board of Doom.
- mohel

Everything that goes wrong with the Hawks until the Hawks win another Cup will be Bowman’s fault on the Board of Doom. So maybe 50 years +/-.
I have to advise my newborn Grandson of this so the tradition is not broken.

Makes sense after all all the successes of the last 12 years are attributed to Uncle Dale.
- paulr

Dale did draft Kane, Toews and Hammer - though he did miss real bad on some other first rounders the pair were really what elevated them from being mediocre to very good. Plus, the trade to bring in Havlat was a nice move and the Patrick Sharp trade worked out ok.

Much of the surrounding talent was drafted by Smith and Pulford. The 2003, 2004 and 2005 drafts yielded a combination of 9 NHL regulars + Cam Barker who was flipped for Leddy.

Everything that goes wrong with the Hawks for the next ten years will be Bowman's fault on the Board of Doom.
- mohel

He did do a good job drafting forwards in the later 1st and early 2nd rounds - gotta give him credit there. Not great at drafting defenders though they took fewer shots there.

The issue I have with Bowman is they couldn't convince Kevin Hayes (maybe they didn't have a stairwell he could poop in) to sign, they lost two Brandon Saad trades, they got nothing for Panarin in terms of futures (when the return there should have been similar to the Duchene deal) and obviously moving on from Danault was very dumb.

Toews - Danault - Hayes up the middle probably gets them another cup or two with out having to do much else to the roster.

The 2014 and 2015 drafts were bombs and they could have really used an influx of talent from those classes.

Its a tough job but ultimately you need to have a good enough combination of trades and draft choices to overcome the occasional flop and the bad Bowman moves and management of the cap far outweighs the positives IMO.

Everything that goes wrong with the Hawks until the Hawks win another Cup will be Bowman’s fault on the Board of Doom. So maybe 50 years +/-.
I have to advise my newborn Grandson of this so the tradition is not broken.
- Ztra

Meh, I've seen the Hawks win 3 cups and individual players win all of the awards possible.

I just want to be entertained at this point. Play exciting hockey, score a bunch of goals and if they peter out in the playoffs I could really care less as long as it was a fun ride.

As long as they don't do anything like the White Sox where they crap all over their window I'll be happy.

He did do a good job drafting forwards in the later 1st and early 2nd rounds - gotta give him credit there. Not great at drafting defenders though they took fewer shots there.

The issue I have with Bowman is they couldn't convince Kevin Hayes (maybe they didn't have a stairwell he could poop in) to sign, they lost two Brandon Saad trades, they got nothing for Panarin in terms of futures (when the return there should have been similar to the Duchene deal) and obviously moving on from Danault was very dumb.

Toews - Danault - Hayes up the middle probably gets them another cup or two with out having to do much else to the roster.

The 2014 and 2015 drafts were bombs and they could have really used an influx of talent from those classes.

Its a tough job but ultimately you need to have a good enough combination of trades and draft choices to overcome the occasional flop and the bad Bowman moves and management of the cap far outweighs the positives IMO.

I mean the one great move was finding Panarin, but then he undid by trading him for Saad straight up.

He also gave up Byfuglien for nothing (Kevin Hayes) draft pick, traded away Leddy for nothing, Teuvo to dump his bad Bickell contract, Raanta for nothing, and that Hartman trade is really aging poorly. Seabrook and Anisimov contracts were brutal when he made them and both aged even worse than you could imagine.

But the worst thing he did by far is refusing to rebuild for far too long until we were left with a garbage team and garbage system. I'm sorry, forgot he declared a rebuild (already too late) and than gave up on it after one year and traded for Seth Jones, which he again gave a horrible contract too.

It wasn't all bad. But after some early success it was horrible decision after horrible decision over the last few 4-5 years of his tenure.

Would it really be beneficial for the team to trade 2023 1st round picks for picks this year? My thinking is try to keep as many next draft, and if the lottery balls do not fall in place for #1 in 2023, you can have picks to package to try to get Fantilli. But maybe that is why I am not a G.M.
- powerenforcer

I agree with you, do not under any circumstance trade the 2023 first round pick. Too many good solid players and two potential star players will be draft eligible.

I think the Hawks should turn their attention to 2023 draft. They are going to be bad next year, might as well go full R for Bedard. If they can turn a 2022 pick into multiple 2023 picks, I'm all for it. They should be looking about 3 years down the road.

He did do a good job drafting forwards in the later 1st and early 2nd rounds - gotta give him credit there. Not great at drafting defenders though they took fewer shots there.

The issue I have with Bowman is they couldn't convince Kevin Hayes (maybe they didn't have a stairwell he could poop in) to sign, they lost two Brandon Saad trades, they got nothing for Panarin in terms of futures (when the return there should have been similar to the Duchene deal) and obviously moving on from Danault was very dumb.

Toews - Danault - Hayes up the middle probably gets them another cup or two with out having to do much else to the roster.

The 2014 and 2015 drafts were bombs and they could have really used an influx of talent from those classes.

Its a tough job but ultimately you need to have a good enough combination of trades and draft choices to overcome the occasional flop and the bad Bowman moves and management of the cap far outweighs the positives IMO.
- fattybeef

There's plenty to complain about with Stan. What is generally overlooked, to put it mildly, is that the 2010 Hawks = 1985 Bears without the retooling after the 1st Cup.

A couple of guys speculating about Kane to the Islanders.

https://nhlrumors.com/nhl...olden-knights/2022/05/10/

Lou L wants to add some offense and is supposedly shopping his 2022 1st round pick. He'll probably want to unload a veteran contract or two to free up some cap space. I don't see a fit there and besides Kane would have to waive his NMC. Don't see it happening.

A couple of guys speculating about Kane to the Islanders.

https://nhlrumors.com/nhl...olden-knights/2022/05/10/

Lou L wants to add some offense and is supposedly shopping his 2022 1st round pick. He'll probably want to unload a veteran contract or two to free up some cap space. I don't see a fit there and besides Kane would have to waive his NMC. Don't see it happening.
- boilermaker100

And chances are Varlamov would be one of those veteran contracts. No to the abuser!

A couple of guys speculating about Kane to the Islanders.

https://nhlrumors.com/nhl...olden-knights/2022/05/10/

Lou L wants to add some offense and is supposedly shopping his 2022 1st round pick. He'll probably want to unload a veteran contract or two to free up some cap space. I don't see a fit there and besides Kane would have to waive his NMC. Don't see it happening.
- boilermaker100

A 2022 1st... Wonder what else would be part of the deal. We'd definitely have to take a contract or two back.

Just looked at the stats and wow Dobson did well last year- 51 pts

Wahlstrom on the other hand put up Dach-like numbers with 24 points in 73 games.

Wanted either over Boquist. If we had taken Dobson, no need for the Jones trade... But of course no one can see the future.

I mean the one great move was finding Panarin, but then he undid by trading him for Saad straight up.

He also gave up Byfuglien for nothing (Kevin Hayes) draft pick, traded away Leddy for nothing, Teuvo to dump his bad Bickell contract, Raanta for nothing, and that Hartman trade is really aging poorly. Seabrook and Anisimov contracts were brutal when he made them and both aged even worse than you could imagine.

But the worst thing he did by far is refusing to rebuild for far too long until we were left with a garbage team and garbage system. I'm sorry, forgot he declared a rebuild (already too late) and than gave up on it after one year and traded for Seth Jones, which he again gave a horrible contract too.

It wasn't all bad. But after some early success it was horrible decision after horrible decision over the last few 4-5 years of his tenure.
- Hawkeynation

The Hartman trade was good value at the time. I wouldn't fault him for that.

The biggest issue is their massive talent gap with an aging roster and not a lot of draft or youth capital. This is what Colorado got for Duchene. It should have been at least that for Panarin:


Andrew Hammond · $325,000 (AHL/JR)
Shane Bowers · $0 (Signing Rights)
2019 1st round pick (OTT - #4 - Bowen Byram) [Conditional]*
2019 3rd round pick (OTT - #63 - Matthew Stienburg)
From NSH:
Vladislav Kamenev · $833,333
Samuel Girard · $728,333
2018 2nd round pick (NSH - #58 - Filip Hållander)

I think that they will talk to Kane and the cat then their intentions will probably dictate how to proceed to add 2nd and 3rd rounders by way of their defense corp.


Teams will find value in Conner Murphy, and their would be irony to the Blackhawks dispatching him to Columbus (where he played minor hockey in 2008-09 with Ohio Blue Jackets) for their second rounder (around #44 slot) after they hit long term home runs with the early first rounders.
Murphy might be what the Bluejackets need long term, a cost effective pro on the backline while they continue to add Kent Johnson to Cole Dillinger, and the two newbies (I think one will be a Czech/slovakian defender) and transition two young backline picks in Corson Ceulemans and Stanislav Svozil.
Former Blackhawk Milan Tichy has always had the ear of Jarmo Kekalainen, thus the Czechia connections I am projecting in their 2022 picks.

So I do not doubt they clear many of the vet defenders no matter the outcome in the next couple.

Play the kids...and pray they don't lose confidence....

There's plenty to complain about with Stan. What is generally overlooked, to put it mildly, is that the 2010 Hawks = 1985 Bears without the retooling after the 1st Cup.
- mohel

For the most part, it was the same players carrying the team and the consequences of the hard cap. Even then the value obtained from the retooling and moving on from some players was by and large squandered.

The 85 Bears fell apart because Buddy Ryan left and Ditka had no idea how to handle the defense and McMahon being injured was a problem. Little bit different. It was the same team for the most part that came back.

I think that they will talk to Kane and the cat then their intentions will probably dictate how to proceed to add 2nd and 3rd rounders by way of their defense corp.


Teams will find value in Conner Murphy, and their would be irony to the Blackhawks dispatching him to Columbus (where he played minor hockey in 2008-09 with Ohio Blue Jackets) for their second rounder (around #44 slot) after they hit long term home runs with the early first rounders.
Murphy might be what the Bluejackets need long term, a cost effective pro on the backline while they continue to add Kent Johnson to Cole Dillinger, and the two newbies (I think one will be a Czech/slovakian defender) and transition two young backline picks in Corson Ceulemans and Stanislav Svozil.
Former Blackhawk Milan Tichy has always had the ear of Jarmo Kekalainen, thus the Czechia connections I am projecting in their 2022 picks.

So I do not doubt they clear many of the vet defenders no matter the outcome in the next couple.

Play the kids...and pray they don't lose confidence....
- wiz1901

Hello, Wiz. I still believe that the kid who is predisposed to confidence issues is gonna face that issue no matter when they called up. It is a hurdle all but a select few will have to clear. (Not saying players should be thrown out there before they are physically ready and know how to play the right way).

Makes sense after all all the successes of the last 12 years are attributed to Uncle Dale.
- paulr

Are you and Mohel saying that Bowman had a good run from about 2016 until he was fired?

He did do a good job drafting forwards in the later 1st and early 2nd rounds - gotta give him credit there. Not great at drafting defenders though they took fewer shots there.

The issue I have with Bowman is they couldn't convince Kevin Hayes (maybe they didn't have a stairwell he could poop in) to sign, they lost two Brandon Saad trades, they got nothing for Panarin in terms of futures (when the return there should have been similar to the Duchene deal) and obviously moving on from Danault was very dumb.

Toews - Danault - Hayes up the middle probably gets them another cup or two with out having to do much else to the roster.

The 2014 and 2015 drafts were bombs and they could have really used an influx of talent from those classes.

Its a tough job but ultimately you need to have a good enough combination of trades and draft choices to overcome the occasional flop and the bad Bowman moves and management of the cap far outweighs the positives IMO.
- fattybeef

He also had to rely on European success UFAs later on as his hockey ops weren't hitting on draft picks....rushed kids up....gave up on them way too soon.....and brought back almost every ex Hawk he originally traded away from cup teams....oh....and hung to a 7 man core far too long where he could have narrowed it down to 3-4 and maybe guys like Panarin are still here.....

He did a good of inheriting a stacked team and riding the cores success by plugging in holes....his biggest accomplishment was likely sticking with CC after a horrendous Phoenix series.

I think the Hawks should turn their attention to 2023 draft. They are going to be bad next year, might as well go full R for Bedard. If they can turn a 2022 pick into multiple 2023 picks, I'm all for it. They should be looking about 3 years down the road.
- Hawkeynation

100% agreed.....all it takes is bringing back Delia and Lankinen to be your 1-2 goalie punch and they are a lot closer to Bedard.